Warning about Pentecostal movement. It's not legitimately Christian. When the disciples asked Jesus of the sign of his coming & end of the world, 1st thing he cited was religious deception: "Take heed that no man deceive you... many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." (Matt.24) Such is Kim Clement. Like Nostradomis, he spoke vaguely, per chance. All true prophets of God in scripture spoke specifically. Don't believe the hype that Clement prophesied Trump! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPhnRUU04-I&feature=emb_logo
@TexasTruthTeller Sorry, I have to politely disagree with you here. Kim Clement was not a false prophet. The body of Christ needs to resist bashing the prophets right now. Faith is required to believe God for the impossible. There is a reason that the Israelites stoned the legitimate prophets sent by God. Let's not let history repeat itself. God bless you!
@TexasTruthTeller Sir, you are possessed by a religious spirit. May God deliver you and show you his love and grace in Jesus' name!
@Overcomer What you're possessed with is "seducing spirits and doctrines of devils" (1 Timothy 4:1). It sure isn't the Spirit of God! You keep contradicting God's written word! You won't even deal with that! All you do is cite your "experience"! You can use the name of Jesus all you want, but it doesn't prove that you are even saved! Kenneth Copeland has JESUS IS LORD as the backdrop of his stage. It's merely a prop he uses to con supporters. That's you! I'll stick with Christ & his word!
@Overcomer According to The Bible, apostles and prophets were for a specific time and place: the founding and establishing of the new testament church in Israel. According to what Paul wrote in 1 Cor.13, once the "perfect" has come, which is the complete canon of scripture, there was no more need for those gifts. So many excises and fraud have occurred under the false movement called "Pentecostalism". Why do you think they manipulate gullible fools into supporting their greed?
@TexasTruthTeller This is a lie. I challenge you to ask the Holy Spirit to speak to you... and wait on the Lord to hear his voice. You may be surprised. I have witnessed miracles and I currently operate in the giftings of the Holy Spirit. This lie you believe is keeping you from experiencing the fullness that Jesus has for you. May he heal your soul of the deep pain and wounds you have so you may experience the new wine of the Spirit of God.
@Overcomer And how do you KNOW I have "deep pain and wounds"? Do you KNOW me? No! You're typical of other Charismaniacs I've challenged online. You guys always come up with the same junk. You refuse to deal with THE MESSAGE. Instead you SHOOT THE MESSENGER! You attack me, claiming you know so much about me, yet you don;t even KNOW me, which proves my point! In order for you to KNOW what you say you do about me, you would have to be GOD who alone knows the heart! Get off your God trip!
@TexasTruthTeller The Holy Spirit lives in every believer. I simply see what is coming out of you. Anger and Pain. I pray you are healed by the love and comfort of God.
@Overcomer All you cite is personal experience. Like that supersedes what GOD says! I say what THE BIBLE says. Just like all involved in election fraud, you skirt around facts, instead label the one telling the truth as false. Yet you have no FACTUAL basis for that! My judgment is based on GOD'S WRITTEN WORD! What Jesus used to counter Satan's attacks (Matt.4:1-11). All you can give me is what you've "experienced". You expect me to believe that above scripture! Typical tactic of Satan!
@TexasTruthTeller The Pharisees accused Jesus of being Beezebul (Satan) Mark 3:22. You accuse me of being like Satan... So I'm in good company with Jesus. I know scripture very well. I could drop scripture all day long, but this is not a competition. I just want you to experience the baptism of the Holy Spirit (Luke 3:16 and Acts 1:5). I am done conversing with you now. I will pray for you and I hope you have a nice day. May God bless you with his love!
@Overcomer I challenge you to repent; get your heart right with God! If you believe your personal "experience" is to be taken above what "thus saith the LORD' in my Bible, you have a MAJOR problem spiritually! Just FYI, to show you don't know me nor what you're talking about; I was involved in the Charismaniac movement for over 17 years before God GLORIOUSLY delivered me out of that religious deception. Speaking in tongues, slain in the spirit, "healings", prophesying. Been there, done that!
@TexasTruthTeller I will not argue with you, but I will leave one final thought. The pain and abuse you've experienced is much deeper than I initially thought. You may have actually experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the past, but all of the abuse has distorted the ligitimate encounter you've had with God. Though I am not responsible for what has happened to you, I am deeply sorry to hear of the pain and disillusionment you've encountered. I am sorry for passing any judgment... That was not my intent. I want to see the Body of Christ healed. I pray the Lord will heal your heart. ❤
@Overcomer By the way, I'm way ahead of you, asking the Holy Spirit to speak to me. I did that this morning, before I read my Bible. Guess what? He did! And NOW he's telling me that what I am getting from YOU is not of HIM, because it contradicts his written word, which HE never does! So I reject what you're saying, because again, YOU'RE NOT GOD! What you're into is the same kinda junk practiced by Hindus & New Agers. No thanks! I'll stick with JESUS and my Bible!
@Overcomer How is my believing what Jesus called "truth": THE WORD OF GOD; believing a lie? See what I mean? You contradict what SCRIPTURE says, because you're following the pattern set up by Lucifer (Satan); putting yourself and your "experience" above the authority of God's word! That's how this whole mess started in Eden! Satan conned Eve and Adam into hearkening unto what THE SERPENT said above what GOD commanded. They placed an EXPERIENCE: "ye shall be as gods" above God himself!
@Overcomer Look at the false movements" "Word of faith"; "Signs & wonders"; "Holy Laughter"; "Kansas City Prophets", etc. AA Allen died a drunk. Benny Hinn & Paula White committed adultery with each other. Kenneth Hagin lied about his healing, died from it; plagarized EW Kenyon's writings. Paul Crouch was a sodomite; Jan Crouch covered up their grand daughter's molestation by TBN staffer! Kenneth Copeland is a billionaire because he suckers supporters! TD jakes doesn't believe in the Trinity!
@TexasTruthTeller Sir, you pointing out everyone else's sin does not negate the gifts of the Holy Spirit today. Why don't you stop pointing a finger at the lives of others and ask Jesus to pour out his Spirit in a fresh way in your own life. Receive for yourself and don't worry about others' sins and shortcomings. I used to be under the religious spirit myself... all it produces is anger and self- righteousness, which is a stench to God. He desires mercy. There is more he wants to give you... but you have to receive it.
@Overcomer True faith is ALWAYS based in the TRUTH of God's word, not in the emotionally induced psychological manipulation that false prophets like Kim Clement & Todd Bentley are famous for. These guys are like the prophets of Baal that Elijah confronted, and the false prophets who opposed Jeremiah. You cite the true prophets that Israel killed. What was the reason they killed them? Same reason they killed Jesus. They spoke THE WORD OF GOD. Which we have WRITTEN! That is all we need!
@TexasTruthTeller The religious spirit has warped your thinking. The one thing we can agree on here is the importance of the Bible... the word of God.
@Overcomer You're believing the lies of the Charismaniac Panty-wastal movement; that there ARE legitimate prophets of God in our day. Look at them. They are ALL part of this false movement that began at Asuza Street in Los Angeles in 1906. Jesus said, specifically in relation to ministry, "By their fruits ye shall know them." What has that movement produced? Greed. Covetousness. Lying. Deception. Pride. Egotism. False doctrine. Seducing spirits. Adultery. Sodomites. Not of God, but Satan!