@KarMarJo57 happy to explain. Insider Movement is basically discipling unbelievers to follow Jesus while still retaining the cultural identity of their former faith (i.e. following Jesus, but continuing to identify as a Muslim). It requires the 'redefining' of many key words. You may read more about it here. Would love to know what you think. https://www.abwe.org/blog/unveiling-muslim-insider-movement-part-1-defining-terms

@Bschneider11 Facinating read. I will need to prayerfully ponder this more. A community of Muslims who follow Jesus yet remain culturally and officially Muslim.” Travis expands upon this brief definition, explaining that, “C5 believers are viewed as Muslims by the Muslim community and think of themselves as Muslims who follow Isa the Messiah.”

@Bschneider11 There's some truth in it, I think but there's something wrong in it. I know from Biblical examples of those who turned to Jesus for salvation, sometimes they left all to follow Him, sometimes Jesus told them to go back and tell others what He did. We MUST completely follow Jesus - NO compromise. Sometimes that will lead us out of the place we currently are in. This is true how I was lead from the Catholic religion because following Jesus didn't blend with their structured religion.

@Bschneider11 Since my conversion at 17, I have simply taken the Word at face value. No interruptations or tweaking, etc. This sometimes confused me when young in the faith because many evangelicals pick and choose what they take literally and what they 'interrupt.' I am now with a body of believers that simply takes the word at face value.

@Bschneider11 I have extensive native American heritage. I have seen some of this within the Christians in native culture and reactions of those Christians NOT. There is a fine line. Do I need to be an English women with the Separatists lifestyle to be a native Christian? My girlfriend raised Mennonite says 'yes.' I say 'no'. I can have cultural nativeness, but that culture must always be conformed to the Word of God.

@Bschneider11 My girlfriend says, the 'Christian' (European) has the answers, so we adjust our lifestyle to that. Cooking meat over an open firepit, isn't in conflict with God's word. So, it's ok to be culturally native. But to smug (burn sage incense on wood or clam shell) to find favor with the Creator so He will listen to our prayers, is contrary to N.T. teaching. He is our Sacrifice. No more need for it. It's left over from our journey from Noah's sons to do sacrifice to the Lord God.

@KarMarJo57 That is a perfect example of appropriate vs. inappropriate contextualization

@Bschneider11 Well said in condensed words.

@KarMarJo57 me think, why waste time say lot word, when few do trick #TheOfficeReference

@Bschneider11 I am in Mennonite culture being in a Mennonite Church. Mennonites sing in tight multi-harmony singing. If a native American got saved, would they have to sing in the Mennonite style? When with them yes, but exclusively? I don't think so. If it's not in conflict with God's values and teachings. We all live in culture. I'm not sure how to describe it, but I do know the teachings of Christ and his apostles IS CHRISTIAN. Let that be the mark.

@Kruselady it's ok. You should check it out. It's a spectrum of contextualizing discipleship

@Bschneider11 what does contextualizing discipleship mean?

@Kruselady using Islam as the example. Most common example would be using Allah instead of God as a way to build a cultural bridge. .it's removing barriers to discipleship. Can get much worse i e. Referring to Quran as God's word