@storehouse Thanks for the lost skills. We have 31 years of homesteading and live very close to some of the Amish. I had to chuckle though. The picture of the inside of an Amish house had an electric wall heater.😃 I have found that the majority of the world that lives adequately simply live very similarly. I have a daughter that's Old Order Brethren. She lives lower than the Amish. (Many Amish in our area hardly raise their own food now. Husbands have high paying artisan jobs, and so it goes.)