@Knittinggrace Did you see any of John MacArthur's Strange Fire Conference a few years ago where he got believers like Joni Eareckson Tada to mock God and people who believe in miracles and the gifts of the Spirit? She was a keynote speaker. It was disgusting, and no one called Joni out for it they you could find on the web. Joni said something like.. when pentecostal people run to me wanting to pray, i say oh sure and please pray for my cat, dog and the cobwebs in my house too. Todd Friel also