@sinbach absolutely stupid. Moses instructed the people to choose capable leaders to make judgments. Exodus 18. Yeshua didn't vote. Obviously. He wasn't eligible. But He had plenty to say to both Roman officials. How do you possess the land with this I don't care attitude? Was Wilberforce wrong? That was the attitude of the German Church in the 30s. Don't get involved. Hideous and utterly sinful attitude. Forget abortion and sex trafficking? Fight for nothing?

@gladflicka one of us did 2 tours in the persian gulf in special operations. one of us served on the San Marcos police department and lost a partner in the line of duty. one of us has two sons currently training to be officers in the US military. I will gladly compare my record of "being involved" with anyone on this forum - including yours if you would like. so pls let's perhaps be careful when throwing around accusing phrases like an "I don't care attitude" or "hideous and utterly sinful attitude." I have seen Chinese brothers and sisters give their life in sacrifices that are hard to even imagine. It is a clear mistake to say they are sitting on the sidelines. I would argue that their involvement is a spiritual one that supersedes the act of mere politicking and they are currently possessing the land with the largest Christian revival this world has ever seen. Pls don't mistake their silent sacrifice with apathy.

@sinbach they are telling others not to vote. That's my point.

@sinbach definitely my comments were not against chinese. I'd never do that but toward foolish comments about not voting or that it isn't biblical.

@gladflicka understand. As I said in the podcast, we do not have to agree with them, but it is worth hearing them out. I felt that they made a very biblical argument. the husband Jason - retired from the US Marine Corps after doing several tours of duty. His wife lived with him in Okinawa for several years and also worked for the military before his retirement.
What I like about our podcast is that we don't just bring on people that agree with a certain viewpoint, but we try to bring on people that think differently than us. I have often found that people that I strongly disagree with today are people that I agree with tomorrow. I am not done growing and I am not done learning. I am a student and i love conversations with people that Love God - even if we disagree. Iron sharpens iron best when they are going opposite directions.
I hope that makes sense.

@wildgoose @gladflicka i LOVE watchman nee books - especially when you know the biography behind the writings. so powerful

@sinbach @gladflicka Nee has had one of the greatest impacts on my spiritual sojourn. What a faithful witness that man left us... “Deep calls to deep”.