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I am not a person who usually blocks others on social media, but the last two weeks I have blocked three persons on DingDash. All of them with anonymous profiles, two of them my followers. I suppose all three were from the Mastadon network. The combination anonymity and ad hominem – attacking a person instead of attacking an argument, makes me lose my patience. It’s the lowest form of argumentation. Yesterday someone called @sinbach names in my post, just because he is American and a former military. That was too much for this person to handle, so he used the argumentum ad hominem.
After 14 years on FB I don’t have the same patience anymore. I’ve been kind and polite to people that haven’t been kind or polite to me. I don’t want the same thing on DD. Don't expect me to respect your opinions if I don't know anything about you. I don't understand why people are so anonymous, if they don't have to for security reasons (like missionaries).

@tanjaostman great thing is - DingDash is sooo easy to block people.
thanx for the friendship and kind words.

@tanjaostman a lot of people here have things to hide, that they wouldn't want to become apparent to their real life peers. Some are gay and/or trans, others have uncommon or stigmatized opinions on things. Hopefully you have an idea. Not everybody lives in a community of like-minded reasonable adults, even though even I think that's something worth striving for.

One thing I have learned the hard way about the world and the internets in the past decade is, these things don't become more free with time. On the contrary. I still remember how many years ago, when I was a kid, a lot of people could speak out their even weirdest opinions without fearing persecution or other consequences. People have been fired in America and Canada for voting the wrong way or donating money to wrong people.

Even your own country is following this trend (https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/02/16/this-religious-prosecution-in-finland-could-be-harbinger-for-other-democracies/). I don't know everything about this story, but from the gist of it, it seems just like every other case of people being persecuted for exercising their freedom of speech. Which is, to say the least, rather unsettling and disgusting.

And then there is the matter of mass internet surveillance and information gathering, the things that already have the great effect on our societies. Have you ever heard about Social Cooling (https://www.socialcooling.com/). It's an interesting idea, check it out. In addition, just yesterday a person from another instance here described what it's like to be a kid in the days of TikTok and Snapchat: either you follow the latest trends and your opinion conforms with the narrative, or you become a pariah. This is more than creepy.

All of these and more make people, to say the least, cautious if not outright afraid. Being pseudonymous allows some to be more genuine and to express themselves. Granted, this attracts some hostile folk, but you can't avoid them anywhere. Even on Facebook, I have seen a lot of hostile behaviour from people using their real names. Some just don't care, I guess.

Hopefully, this answers at least some of your questions. Personally, I very much enjoy the fedi. A lot more than I can enjoy other parts of the internet these days. Fediverse has certain charming magic to it, partly because it doesn't force people to be anything they don't want to be, doesn't insist on following specific conduct. Things just organically work out with little to no steering required, which proves you don't need a strong hand to form healthy communities. People are quite capable of cooperating on their own.

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@newt @tanjaostman Wasn't it in the Facebook era that people started to use their real names on the internet? I remember growing up and there being a lot more caution about giving away your personal data online. Especially where the majority are strangers to you. Now we have gone the opposite way with giving away our full names and general location and that is more bizarre to me. Why do people do this? I mean, aside from corporatism with online networking that way. Still, it is great for Facebook who get lots of data about me without my consent or knowledge.
@sim @tanjaostman that is true. Facebook and probably Google were the first ones to implement this policy.

Also, there are people who just aren’t used to having multiple names or identities. Imagine having just one email address for both business and personal messages.
@newt @tanjaostman I suspected that to be the case because people from Facebook seem to have a harder time with understanding why we don't reveal ourselves like they do after what Facebook and Google have done there. Then we get discriminated against for it.
@newt @tanjaostman @sim there are long-time employees at my company that want to keep their work email when they leave because that's their only address. We don't let them, but more than once our help desk has had to teach an exiting employee how to use Gmail.
@sim @newt @tanjaostman I came up in the "no personal info online" era but for most people Facebook completely torpedoed that mentality. Even when I used Facebook I never used my real name or posted a real photo of myself. Zucc did a speech quite a while ago about how he wanted people's digital identities to follow them in real life and for me that's an absolute non-starter because of the social and political implications of one company holding all that data.
@SADIDAS @newt @tanjaostman That's what I thought. What happened to that? Facebook has really done a number on us. Wish that it hadn't sucked me in too. Because it is weird how they have abused this, why should my digital identity follow me in real life where they hold the power over me?
@sim @newt @tanjaostman Facebook becomes more gross when you realise that it ultimately only exists to analyse people's behaviour so they can have ads forced upon them more efficiently. The slow corporatisation of the Internet is just so sad, you can't even check the TV listings without at least one popups, ads all over the place and videos that start playing automatically - it's like the worst aspects of MySpace but everywhere.
@SADIDAS @newt @tanjaostman I agree with you here. It is a worrying trend and we still don't fully understand what this behaviour does to peoples psyche that are subject to it. But businesses will still insist on it, that this is how they make their money so we must surrender our psyche and data to these ads. Even worse when you see it out in the public square. They also make things addictive so you keep scrolling and feed you what the algorithm thinks you want to see which can keep you in a social bubble or keep you mad about things online. If it weren't so damaging to peoples health, I'd be more impressed with what they have accomplished in so short a time.
@SADIDAS @tanjaostman @sim @newt My gmail account is near a decade old at this stage and it's my "normal" I use for bills so my actual info is on it. Despite this, I'm now getting blocked from seeing videos on youtube to "verify my age" the way to stop this? Give my government ID/Passport/Driver's licence or my credit card. FUCK THIS RETARDED SYSTEM. Obviously I didn't do and I now have a script that bypasses this bs.

@sim @tanjaostman @newt

I built the very first online community for drummers/percussionists back in 1996. To put that into perspective, that was one year before Google was born.

My bulletin board required real names after a few years had passed, simply because we started having issues similar to what DingDash is now experiencing.

Cowards like to throw their opinions and slanderous commentary from the shadows.

I treated my community board like my home; all are welcome… but individuals must announce who they are in order to enter, and must respect the rules. After receiving two warnings, they were banned after the third offense. It’s truly the only way to maintain a healthy online community.

Allowing the user to take on the role as administrator, allowing them to block those individuals who across the line, essentially does the same thing… which is how DingDash operates.

@prodrum @tanjaostman @newt I can understand moderation in those instances but I don't think making everyone use their real name is necessary. That makes people easier to target, also easier to harass. It is easier to destroy their livelihood for being involved in your project. I'd like to see more healthy online communities but I don't think it should be at the members expense in this way. We have fallen too much into this trap because of corporatism and the requirements there. Online is easier to hack into, and then people get their data abused or they get spammed.
@sim @prodrum @tanjaostman @newt Using real names doesn't improve behavior anyway. For some reason a lot of people share this "common sense" misconception but I've never seen any evidence supporting it and one look around Facebook immediately shows you people posting vitriol towards others in their physical community.

People who think they could get caught breaking local law will behave differently. That's about it as far as I can tell.
@newt @tanjaostman I can definitely verify your point about how it feels to be a young person who doesn't use social media. While it's not totally socially incapacitating, the massive effect that social media platforms such as Snapchat and TikTok have in configuring the speech patterns, sense of humor, and social mannerisms of their users can create a lot of distance between people such as myself, who choose not to use these applications, and people who use them often (or seemingly constantly), and those people seem to comprise the majority now, at least in the college space.

@tanjaostman @sinbach I've blocked loads of people

I see it like this...my social media is my lounge...would I want that person or attitude in my home? No? Ban em! simples

Well done Tanja!!

Andy B

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