@sinbach @Knittinggrace @MaryMamuzich I read all of you guys' exchanges on that somewhat heated topic, I think. Would you all agree that it's not your average Catholic that is the problem, but rather their leaders? Reminds me of brother Yun talking about the TSPM Church in Heavenly Man: the leaders! 2. What do you think about A. Rivera? I think I already know what @Rinati thinks and love her for being willing to say it.