Pilgrim on this earth @erdenpilger@dingdash.com

@sinbach you're the one who welcomes people to the "rebellion", so what do expect except riots? :)

@Justinmartyr you seem to have chosen the right username, Justin the Martyr. I'd rather stick to my "Pilgrim", though although I see the truth in your words, I don't know how one could earnestly seek persecution. Something promised is not necessarily something that also needs to be desired.

Yet, if I pray that God would bring everything into my life that draws me to Him and away from this rotten world, we're not really praying much different, are we?
So, in this sense: I'm with you, brother!

@Knittinggrace ; @sinbach in case you understand Paul literally and follow Knittinggraces argument, would you be willing to give it some more thought and explain it in more depth?
Maybe its worth a podcast :) I'm not volunteering though :)

@Knittinggrace let me just add one last thing ( in two posts ):
I admit, your thoughts were very intriguing. If I could understand those verses like you do, I'd probably have enough "backup" to ban the mask from my life and endure the persecution that comes with it here.
I didn't follow your line of thought because I found it misleading from the start. If I read just Moses and Paul, the verses you mentioned, I cannot come to your conclusion.

@sinbach more freedom :)

@GoodToughStuff Good works:
It somewhere says God lays them out before you, that you should walk in them. I guess, there is a great variety and we'll know when the opportunity comes.
Peoples character and expertise differ. So probably do their works...

Important to me lately is that we don't do them in order to get righteous, but because we already are.

Grace is so humbling!

@Knittinggrace Paul explains how much more glorious the New Covenant is and how different the outward signs are. Our faces aren't glowing, even though every servant of the Word shines brighter in this world than Moses. No more veils necessary. Everyone who is in Christ can behold the full glory of God through faith in Him.

BTW: there is a command for women to cover their head, different topic, but that symbolises obedience towards her headship, not hiding ones glory...

@Knittinggrace so, to answer your question: every point except the first two...

@Knittinggrace I believe you're asking the wrong questions. Moses veil was a literal veil. Paul speaks of the condition of the heart and not a physical veil/mask.
Now, if the question is: must a Christian disobey an order to wear a mask, I'd say: no. Because its a piece of cloth (Moses), not related to to anyone's heart. Likewise, our faces arent glowing with the glory of God.

Paul uses Moses veil to explain a spiritual truth, not to reopen OT-ways...

@amauryft welcome :)

@amauryft I'm not American, but from my understanding you're far from being a real democracy.
That said: I see myself as a citizen of heaven. Yes, I have a German passport and could vote: but then, why would I get entangled in this deeply ungodly system? I believe it brings more pain than benefit.

Good question though :)

@GoodToughStuff no button for those who disagree? :)

The greatest spiritual visitation happens, when a poor wretched sinner is made a new creation. He's made a spiritual being, able to see the light, turn from his sin and believe and trust in Christ. That's as unconditional as a baby that has no power over its birth.

Not sure about Tozer's context but I disagree.

Sorry, @Knittinggrace , this sounds more like eisegesis and literalism to me. Although I hate this global-health-fascism with all my heart, the spiritual veil Paul talks about is very different from the subordination-mask that's so manadatory today.
I have to wear a mask at work, when I go shopping, fuel my car etc. and what happens spiritually is: that I pray more, because the situation is so bad...

to anyone who got carried away by the election:

Dan 4:17: "This is the decree conveyed by the watchers, the verdict declared by the holy ones in order that everyone alive may know that the Most High rules over human kingdoms. He gives them to whoever he chooses...
"
Dan 2:21: "He is in charge of time and history. He removes kings, and he sets kings in place..."

Rom 13:1: "...no one has the power to rule unless God gives permission. These authorities have been put there by God."

rest therein

@Knittinggrace thanks for sharing!
Maybe that's the only good thing about this virus situation: Christians who are deprived of churchianity and who need to open the Word for answers...

@Knittinggrace simple: there are none. Obeying the government is probably the official reason. But in the end, this might be the chain of thought: no church-building attendees, no moneymaking, no salaries, no modern church-system,
It would all fall apart and we would meet in houses outside of control of leaders and would start to read the Bible for ourselves and there would be only one shepherd, one flock...

Oh boy, I'm dreaming again...

@4given I'd answer with Heb 1:1: "At sundry times and in divers manners (i.e. dreams) God spake in the old time to our fathers by the Prophets: in these last days he hath spoken unto us by his Son, (i.e. the written Word)"

but I represent the minority here :)

@Justinmartyr haven't they embraced it looooong before now?!

"Together with my wife, I take communion with my wife, because I want my day to start off with the resurrection power of Jesus Christ." - Brother Yun

I love this post from Sinobach and I want to ask a question:

What if you're all alone? What if there are no Christians in your town but you yourself? Are two or three people a requirement to have the Lord's Supper?
What are your thoughts?